Diet Soap Podcast #166: Beyond Dirt

The guest this week is the cinema critic and mystic Jason Horsley. Horsley is a regular guest to Diet Soap and this week we discuss his film project Beyond Dirt along with the 2012 Apocalypse that wasn’t and what it means to be a man.

Jason Horsley is using (a crowdsourcing fundraising platform) to raise money for this film and deserves your support. Click here to find out how to help out.

It’s now Monday Christmas Day, December 25, 2012, and I’m Douglas Lain the host of this podcast.

The follow-up conversation about this week’s podcast on Talkshoe will be held on Sunday, December 30th. And I’ll put a link to the Talkshoe page in the show notes, and I encourage everyone who is listening to participate and to donate or become a subscriber to the podcast. I want to thank to Andrew M, Jacob L, Shane S, Tracy V, Ted F, and Paul H for donating. And tell listeners who want to donate that the paypal buttons can be found at

This week’s conversation barely scratches the surface of what’s at stake in Horsley’s work as he yearn’s after enlightenment. Usually he and I congenially oppose one another in our conversations, but in an effort to give him space to describe his movie I held back from opposition. In a conversation that wasn’t recorded Horsley mentioned that he’s always game for a debate, for some pressure, and he will be back. However, I do want to say that Horsley’s search for enlightenment, for a father worth believing in, for a way to be a man, can’t be dismissed easily. The loner, the cowboy, the vagabond is a partial answer to the problem of ideology, and while only partial it can’t merely be rejected.

“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.” That’s a quote from Frederich Nietzsche, a philosopher who is often taken to be antithetical to Marxists and other champions of the downtrodden, exploited, repressed… But I think any true Marxist has to hold onto Nietzsche’s cowboy spirit. And in future episodes I hope to return to the cowboy by discussing Nietzsche with Daniel Coffeen and C Derick Varn.

We’ve gotten past the eschaton…the one Terence promised us, the eschaton that we thought might be a natural or scientific hyperspatial object has proven to be a mirage. Perhaps we can work on rediscovering, or better still, creating the eschaton, ourselves. Only, it won’t be a hyperspatial object, but a social or ideological relation.

Hi Doug –

beautiful edit. You contextualized the conversation with a dab & artistic hand and made the whole thing shine.

Only one complaint – seems the edit left in no mention of the fact we are trying to raise funds for the movie, or where to go to contribute. Can you maybe add a link to this page?

27 Dec 2012, 1:45am
by Douglas Lain


You bet, Jason. I only realized after the fact that I’d left that part out. There is a Talkshoe conversation on Sunday and you’re invited to participate there.

Cool podcast.
Near the beginning it sounded like Doug was at odds with something, and couldn’ seem to let go of the rational idea that Joe is not ‘technically’ autonomous, from nature. Jasun sounds like a serious rambling wise man that’s fun to listen to. It was all pretty relaxing to listen to and forget about bills and worrying about things. Glad you guys do these things.
Bifo on futurism without a future

I’m up for joining to post-talk talk.

In likening gold fever to the pursuit of enlightenment, it is implied that the goal is something shiny, something obvious; a goal that is easy to visualize.
Enlightenment seems to me to be something wholly different, an amorphous concept with uncertain boundaries, and therefore really no way to realize if it has been obtained.

Is the post talk chat up yet?

2 Jan 2013, 3:13am
by douglaslain


It is. At Talkshoe.


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