Pop the Left #3: The Conspiracy Conspiracy

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C Derick Varn and Douglas Lain return for the third episode of Pop the Left, a podcast dedicated to moving beyond the impasse in Left politics. This week we take a look at conspiracy theories, the psychology behind them, and the Left’s inability to cope with the prevalence of this approach to politics. Does the bourgeois left benefit from conspiracy thinking? Can we get beyond our own tendency to blame conspiracies for our ideological and political failures? Was 9/11 an inside Job? Did we ever land on the moon? What about entryism?

Three years out of the Zero years and the attendant Bush administration, are we finally ready to face up to the how the Left turned over radical politics to the likes of Alex Jones and David Icke?

Next time on Pop the Left Nicholas Pell will return. Possible subjects to mull over: What is Historical Materialism? What should we make of the Arab Spring? Marxist Humanism and the Self Thinking Idea.

Do you have a suggestion or topic you’d like to hear us discuss? Leave a comment. Special thanks to the North Star blog for helping to promote Popping the Left. pop2

Could somebody tell me what the last song is on this episode?

The real message of “9/11 Truth” has NOT been heard by the masses. It’s never been given the “chance” to start a revolution. Instead, the true cover-ups have been ignored, and the fringe has been given attention. By the corporate media, by “debunkers,” etc… and so on. The movement’s message was “hijacked” by the “Conspiracy Theory Industry.”

What is the “real message?” We were lied to about 9/11. That there is no justification for the “Post-9/11 World,” and everything it entails. There are family members who have to live with watching the names of their loved ones used to do horrific things around this country and the world, all the while not knowing what ultimately happened to their loved ones, or who was ultimately responsible.

You say “we don’t need it” for change. The murder of 2,976 people both DESERVES and REQUIRES justice whether it brings about “change” or not, but with that being said, I think it is a powerful tool for change.

The “cover-up” of 9/11 exposes the corporate media, it exposes Wall Street, it exposes the Supreme Court, it exposes foreign influence over our Government, it exposes whistleblower retaliation, it exposes many courts and judges (especially within NYC), the list goes on and on.

That day is STILL being used. Everything we hate about the “Post-9/11 World,” drones, assassinations, the NDAA, etc… and so on is “authorized” by the AUMF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

Because we were lied to about the warnings, about the source of the funding being “of little practical significance,” about States being involved, about NORAD’s response, about the 9/11 Commission’s report being the “definitive account” of 9/11, about the CIA’s accountability, and so many other things, there is NO JUSTIFICATION for any of it.

That is a powerful tool. So long as you go about using it correctly. As I wrote here…

http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2012/07/progressives-need-to-address-lies-and.html

“I’m not asking “progressives” to say that “9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!” I’m not asking “progressives” to make 9/11 THE issue for them. I’m not asking “progressives” to play nice with these people. As far as I’m concerned, telling people that “we were lied to about 9/11″ is good enough for me. Especially when discussing the “War On Terror.”

That’s all I want. We WERE lied to about 9/11. You can’t act as though that is not the truth. It’s inconceivable to me.

You talk about COINTELPRO. Guess what justifies that?

Anyway…

3 Mar 2013, 10:26am
by Douglas Lain

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Pop Musik is the last song on this podcast:
http://youtu.be/Avvh5H-EPWU

Ahh, much obliged. ;-)
Hey, I’ma fan of that Rick Roderick -he’s the man- still tellin’ it like it is, the recorded voice repeatedly playable, or at least he’s a straight talker tellin’ it like he sees it with such down home charm. Good American stuff! Texan accent. Reminds me of Joe Bageant, a “leftneck”. Kinda wish that Zizek fellow would maybe talk like that a bit more, but I guess he wouldn’t be Zizek then (tho I’ve heard him stay on point and make arguments like that before). Btw, you know, the left really needs to take more seriously masculinity, being a man, sacking-up, so to speak. I’ve grown weary of feminism and the Left’s male bashing. Ohh hell yeah you know that goes on. All the time, all the time. Without notice. I think the liberals said, “fuck white men, we don’t need ‘em”.

9 Mar 2013, 2:43am
by Douglas Lain

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I think both feminists and those who feel put out with them are in need of a new loss. Bashing men as men is no kind of answer, but neither is defending men along gender lines.

We’re sort of asking the wrong questions when it comes to gender. That’s what I think anyhow.

Asking the wrong questions? That’s a serious problem. We must ask the right questions. What are the wrong questions and what are the right ones? I’d love to get your perspective on this since I’ve become much more fascinated by debates around feminism. I’ve noticed people protesting common negative portrayals of men in the media, divorce laws, double standards regarding male and female victims of domestic violence and what some see as a societal bias in favor of women as evidenced in everyday social practices, portrayals and legislation. Military conscription! Equality Now!? That’s even off the radar of most people and what this implies. Gender, etc., etc., the New Left, Evolutionary psychology, atheist dust-ups around feminists pushing to use to the atheist scene and/or “skepticism” groups, conferences to push their agenda etc., sexual politics, identity politics, social psychology, etc. –topics of interest that intersect in messy illuminating, disturbing ways, for me now. I’ll tell you this, I’m losing faith in the left, not that it matters to anyone but me, but it is interesting to go through this process and know it.

7 Mar 2013, 10:59am
by Jason (jiazhouhuaqiao)

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Doug,

When do you plan on doing a chat next? I’m sorry I wasn’t able to make your last few.

While on the subject of conspiracies, being a PKD fan, what is your take on VALIS and PKD’s epiphany?

Also, you and C. Derrik discussed COINTELPRO as a “verified” conspiracy, but not MK ULTRA?

Hope we will have a chance to chat soon.

Best,

Jason

9 Mar 2013, 2:41am
by Douglas Lain

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Jasun,

I feel guilty that we haven’t connected yet. MKULTRA was, indeed, another verified conspiracy.

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